he was talking about obama care and his wife. of course the question of 2016 came up. listen to this. >> i don't know. and i think, and she believes, that the country should spend at least another year working very hard on the problems we have. i think it's a big mistake, you know, constant four-year pair of pathetic cam panes, not good for america. >> does he have a point? >> coming from the man who invented the perpetual campaign. not dealing with the here and now is part of the problem. when he's being coy about hillary, look, that's what you say until a final decision has been made. you look at actions speak louder than words on this front. >> can't judge him on that front. he's right about the full campaign. it's interesting. he pulled back, tried to clarify on the obama care stuff. saying i supported him the whole time. >> not politically motivated. he said that. >> everybody judging do we believe that or not. i think it's an example of something else, something bad, an example of how toxic the game has got. even the wizard himself, bill clinton, can't say anythi